Interview with Hosein Makki
1920 coup Coup d’etat of
1920, Dr, Mosadegh’s government, Oil and History
By: Morteza Rasouli
On March 1996, in the Institute for Iranian
contemporary historical studies an interview was carried out
with Mr. Hosein Makki , the well-known historian of
contemporary history.
This conversation lasted for 8 hours and Mr. Makki
was speaking with full patience but finally this was ended for
the weariness of “young people” present at the meeting and not
for 83 years old makki.
? Mr. Makki!
you are one of the initiators of contemporary chronology in
our country and as an historian you have a great contribution.
If you hadn’t written “the 20 years history” and “Modarres,
the pioneer of freedom”, our present to day’s generation would
have no sufficient recognition about the first 20 years period
of Pahlavi regime. With regard to the fact that you have
founded the basis for introducing the coup d’etat of 1920 on
the first volumes of “ the 20 years history” , what is your
opinion about the newly published “the memories of Ardeshir J.
Reporter”? Apparently Ardeshir J. was not so known until
recent years and there was not mentioned any name of him.
● For the
first time his name was mentioned by Raeen on his book named
freemasonry.
? He mentioned
his name briefly among the names of those members of Bidari
Lodge so that it produced no sensibility.
● Some
points occur to me which I submit: One is that, also Ironside
has written such a case and recommended that while the Pahlavi
dynasty was ruling, this subjects shouldn’t be published and
it is said that Mohammad Reza Pahlavi took those notes. Before
Ironside, it was General Danstervil who was considered the
coup d’etat`s grandfather and had prepared the basis of coup
d’etat. When he decided to leave Iran, his office was being
given to Ironside. Edward Gray, the British Foreign Minister,
also have a book in English which was then translated to
French. The important point I saw in it was that according to
the British Government as the Russian influence in Iran
increased on the basis of Torkamanchai contract and it is seen
that the court of Mohammad Ali shah was almost closer to the
Russians, England resorted to an “invisible influence”. The
writer says in this book that: for this we propagated the
constitutionalism in Iran; the constitutionalism was
originally given to Iran by us. In one of his speeches, the
late Modarres, also pointed to this subject that: when the
constitution was forming we were not ready for it but as it
was a good thing, we accepted it because the good is good when
it comes. From anyone.
Another
point is that the British were seriously opposed to
Staroselski.
* * *
? What
information you have about the when time when Sayyed Zia was
in Palestine? It is known that when there was anti Jewish
movement in Palestine, he as a good Moslem was purchasing the
lands from Arab in habitants of Palestine and with cooperation
of Ein-ol-Molk father of Amir Abbas Hoveida, were transferring
the lands to Jews. It is said that this has been the source of
his enormous wealth.
● I just know that when he left
Iran he had no money and he was given about 250 Toman.
* * *
? Yes, he said
in the sixth Majlis: the God is witness that I said nothing
disgracing regarding regarding those who agreed with the
contract [1919] because it was a political diversity of
opinions. And also he says: I never mentioned Vosugh-o-
Dowleh badly. Some people set forth a misgiving and say that
why Modarres opposed to Reza khan’s republic; instead if we.
Accepted that he was British related, at least there was
established in Iran a republic structure such as in Turkey.
● Modarres was saying that: I do
not disagree with the republic; the early Islam government was
also republic, but I disagree with a republic which would be
chosen by foreigners. Reza khan [apparently] tried a lot to
accelerate his medical treatment by Dr. Amir Alam and others
when he was sick for a time but he didn’t submit in spite of
Reza khan’s kindnesses.
The point that should be
remembered is that: our talk about Modarres is insufficient,
for he has not been recognized yet. A great many people have
had their view completely changed when reading my book about
Modarres and say that what a great man he had been!…
* * *
? Now about
the events of August, 1941. what was the reason of your
dispute with Dr. Mosaddegh?
● It you read the report that I
presented in the seventh Majlis in which I, completely
described that in those cases related the event of Tir 30,
Mosaddegh would have left and gone and closed the door of his
house if there were not Ayyat-o-lah Kashani, I and Baghaee and
the rising of Tir 30 was never happened …
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(In order to see the whole article
refer to the first issue of the Iranian contemporary history
quarterly.)
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